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Getting new PC. How do i avoid buying outdated tech for full price?

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14:30
Aug 21st 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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Post edited 14:32 – Aug 21st 2013 by Tai


After struggeling with my old PC for a year now i decided that the humane thing to do is to put it out of its misery.  Its about 6 years old now and i would say that it has done its job and then some. And when my wife didnt even put up an argument its settled.

 

Its a relief to get a new PC but allso a pain. I have little understanding for all the numbers on the different components that rests within the cabinet. The biggest problem is that i dont know how much each part should cost, or if its a good component or if its outdated. So when i see a complete package at Komplett there is no way i can decide if its worth the money or if some parts should be swapped.

 

Im sure someone here has been in a similar situation. Hopefully i could get a few pointers, or maybe an idea of what i should absolutely avoid.

 

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

 

Tai

20:13
Aug 21st 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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Been browsing for computers today but im struggeling to choose from two CPU`s

 They are:

 

Intel Core i5-4670K Processor Socket-LGA1150, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 6MB, 84W, HD4600, Boxed w/fan

 

and

 

Intel Core i7-4770K Processor Socket-LGA1150, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 84W, HD4600, Boxed w/fan, Haswe

 

I realize that the i7 is a better CPU but how much better is it? It`ll cost me about £110 to upgrade to the i7 but im allready pushing my budget.

 

Tai

15:01
Aug 22nd 2013


Arthur-itis

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If I were in your position I'd check out some PC websites and see what components they use together on their PC builds. Novatech ( where I bought mine ) have different builds for different uses and list every conponent the build uses. You've probably sussed this out already but there you go. smile                                                            

20:44
Aug 22nd 2013


Vimesy74

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For a gaming PC the i5 will be absolutely fine. Not really worth going to an i7 unless you're into video editing and lots of multitasking.

In all honesty if you're not that sure go to a site like PCSpecialist – they tend to update their components more regularly.

The other thing I feel duty bound to say is…don't worry to much about it. In the time you spend stressing over the tiny details of components or … you could play some games. ;-) I don't mean that to sound off-hand but I've know people stress out over the tiniest difference in their rigs and by the time they've decided something else has come out and they're back to worrying again.

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Current games of choice:  Battlefield 4 & Hearthstone.

21:51
Aug 22nd 2013


G-Squirrel

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Not sure if it'll help, but Rock, Paper, Shotgun sometimes do good posts about hardware buying: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/tag/hard-choices/

 

Also, the Logical Increments site gives a dense but useful overview: http://www.logicalincrements.com/

 

But yeah, i7's better, but not £110 better. What's your total budget for the build?

22:55
Aug 22nd 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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Thats pretty sound advice Vimesey, i can relate to what you`re saying.  I should probably just go for the i5 and be a happy man.

 

My total budget is somewhere around £1200. Its possible to stretch a little but i`de like to stay married after the PC purchasewink

 

Tai

04:22
Aug 23rd 2013


altered_ego

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The other thing I feel duty bound to say is…don't worry to much about it. In the time you spend stressing over the tiny details of components or … you could play some games. ;-) I don't mean that to sound off-hand but I've know people stress out over the tiniest difference in their rigs and by the time they've decided something else has come out and they're back to worrying again.

Great advice from Vimesy. 100% this. I5 is fine as are pretty much all your decisions. If not sure buy a partly built machine from ebuyer, nova tech, over lockers or wherever. There's loads places. If building from scratch the overclockers forum have an up to date thread for differing budgets. I used that but as before I worried too much. smile

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18:14
Aug 23rd 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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Okay, here is the setup im looking at. I left out details like cabinet, power supply and such.

 

Processor: Intel Core i5-4670K Processor Socket-LGA1150, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 6MB, 84W, HD4600, Boxed w/fan, Haswell

 

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, Socket-1150 ATX, Z87, DDR3, 3xPCIe-x16, SLI/CFX, VGA,HDMI,DP,Killer 2200,SB Cinema, Haswell

 

Watercooling:Cooler Master Seidon 120M Cooler BULK 775/1150/1155/1156/1366/2011, AM2(+)/AM3(+)/FM1, 600~2400 RPM, 19.17~86.15 CFM

 

RAM:Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Sport 16GB KIT 16GB kit (8GBx2), Sport,1600MHz, 1.5V, CL9-9-9-24

 

GFX-Card: ZOTAC GeForce GTX 770 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, with Splinter Cell Blacklist

 

Harddrives:

#1: Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5" OEM SATA3.0, 7mm, 450MB/450MB/s read/write, SandForce®

#2: Seagate Barracuda® 1TB SATA 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB Cache, 7200RPM, 3.5"

 

This will set me back about £1200. Anything i should upgrade or does it look decent?

 

Tai

14:15
Aug 24th 2013


antman

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Jesus hell, thats a pricey rig. If you're willing to spend that much then that'll be grand (well just over a grand).

 

The same performance could be wrought from a much cheaper rig. Is there any reason for going Intel, specifically the 4th gen (Haswell) Intel? Although having a low power consumption (which requires less cooling, therefore less noise), they are a bit on the pricey side atm.

 

May I suggest going to AMD instead? I have recently purchased the 8 core 4.5GHz Piledriver CPU and compatible motherboard for under £200. That is more power than the heaviest gamer would require, however my dabblings with rendering meant I went full retard.

 

Take a gander at these two.

 

cpu:  http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/processors/amdpiledriverfx/fd6350frhkbox.html

 

mobo: http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/motherboards/amdam3plus970chipset/atxformfactor/970a-g43.html

 

Getting these two instead wouldn't impact performance or require special cooling, the stock cpu fan would suffice. I'm always around for a chat, me and The_Altered_Ego are always keen to talk PC parts. I think I'm antman1983 on Steam. I'll be the one with the batman's head avatar (must change it to a Ben Affleck one).

11:25
Aug 25th 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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I`ve allways prefered Intel, but im not entierly sure why. 2-3 computers ago (back in ye old days) intel was considered faster and better.  A friend of mine got an AMD pc and he had nothing but trouble with it. I guess thats why i allways go Intel.

 

I see that the prices on the parts you linked are the same here in Norway. But i must say that building my own PC scares the crap outta me. I`ve heard people say its not that hard but i guess thats up to whoever builds it. And if something goes wrong when its buildt the warranty would be void.  Getting parts that performs well together is importen too i guess, i`ve heard that you cant just chuck any old bits together and get a good PC.

 

Tai

23:09
Aug 25th 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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11:54
Sep 2nd 2013


Vimesy74

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Hi Tai,

 

The rig you suggest is fine however… it may be too good.  You don't need an i7 – games at the moment have no real way of using all that power and won't for some time to come. 

 

Personally I've found that unless I'm just upgrading one or two parts (CPU/GPU etc) then it makes more sense to buy a prebuilt rig. The amount of money you save by building your own is negligable and the piece of mind you get from a "pro" doing it, plus a warranty is worth the small extra spend.

 

Go here…

 

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/

 

You can specify exactly the type of system you want and they will build it to your specs.  I can build a very good system which will play games like BF3 (and soon BF4) on Ultra for around £800.  You could shave some more pounds off if you cut back on RAM or SSD's but even then it's considerably less that the £1200 you were looking at.

PSN ID: Vimesy74

Steam: CmdrVimes

Battlenet: Vimesy74#2797

 

Current games of choice:  Battlefield 4 & Hearthstone.

18:08
Sep 2nd 2013


Tai

Bergen,Norway

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What a brilliant website. A shame Komplett doesnt have the same option. I had a dabble at it and it told me if parts where compatible or if hat i had choosen a powersupply that was too big. Managed to put together something that looked like a decent PC with a good price but its quite costly to get it to norway.

 

For a £800 PC there is shipping charges at £92. In adition customs here in Norway demands somewhere around £200 for me to pick it up. This means that you can add about £300 on that rig.

 

Question is, will it be worth it? Will the rig you have in mind outperform the one i found at Komplett? If it does, i have no second thoughts about ordering from abroad. I take it for granted that PCspecialist are professionals that treat their customers properlywink

 

Tai

14:51
Sep 3rd 2013


Vimesy74

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Sorry, I hadn't realised that shipping and customs would cost so much.

 

In that case I guess you could use PCSpecialist to help build you rig and then order similar from Komplett.  That might be the best way to go.

 

To give you an idea…. my rig runs an i5-3550 CPU @ 3.3Ghz, a Radeon HD 7800 GPU and 8 Gig of RAM.  This runs BF3 prefectly (to my eyes at least) in Ultra. If I use PCSpecialist to build a comparable rig it would cost about £750 inc VAT/tax.

 

When BF4 comes out I would expect top be able to run it in at least "High" detail. Hope this helps.

PSN ID: Vimesy74

Steam: CmdrVimes

Battlenet: Vimesy74#2797

 

Current games of choice:  Battlefield 4 & Hearthstone.

23:44
Sep 21st 2013


papablingo

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A bit late into this one, but as someone who built their own rig a few years back, I have one piece of advice. Do not but a i7. It is just not worth it. I have a first gen i7, and my next upgrade will be an ivy bridge i5 with a compatible motherboard. 



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